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Jul 23, 2019, 12:23 pm
#31
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Originally Posted by MarkOK
LAS definately has the passenger count for it. I also think MSY should have one. It has something like 24 AA flights a day, a large majority of which are mainline, and as the MD80 is being phased out more and more of those flights appear to be replaced by 738s and A321s. Surely there will be space in the new terminal if AA wants to put one there; and the new terminal should help attract some additional international OneWorld flights (looking at BA) .
26, plus the BA LHR flight.
Right now, only DL has a lounge, but when the new terminal opens (if it ever opens) there will also be a UA club, and a priority pass club. But no AA. 
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Jul 23, 2019, 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Dallas49er
Always wondered why AUS (best domestic AAngels) has a club, and SAT doesn't. UA does, and has. I could be wrong, but having sat in SAT (waiting out the recovery from thunderstorms in Bolivia and Manchuria), the AA flights seem to outnumber the UA flights.
I can't speak for SAT, but as Austin is a major tech hub, there is probably a disproportionate amount of business travel, including a ton flying to DFW and LAX to connect to Int'l destinations. The lounge is usually jam packed in the mornings, and then again in the evening prior to the BA LHR flight. They even had to remove the little putting green at the entrance to the AC in order to put in more seating a couple of years ago.
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Jul 23, 2019, 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Dallas49er
Not to argue with a moderator, BUT, the AUS AC (with the best domestic AAngels), has been there for decades. To quote Chairman Kaga, "If memory serves ..." BA has been flying into AUS less than a decade, starting with a 787, then 777, and now 747. I dont fly in/out of AUS or SAT anymore, so I don't have a dog in this hunt. Just sayin'.
The current AUS airport, ABIA (Austin-Bergstrom International Airport) has only existed since 1999. Prior to that, the site was home to Bergstrom, AFB. So the maximum time a club could have existed at the current AUS is 20 years.
I have no idea if there was an AA lounge at Austin-Mueller; it is possible that Braniff had one that AA acquired when they acquired those assets, but from the sounds of it that facility was very small.
I'm guessing that when ABIA opened, AA and CO expressed interest in having lounges there, since they both had hubs in Texas with multiple flights between AUS and DFW/IAH. Those lounges are beside each other, and the AA/UA gates are both at the same end of the terminal.
With recent airport expansion (6 additional gates), a DL lounge also opened. I'm not sure that there is space for any other lounges in the current terminal building, without taking away existing public space or restaurants.
There are long-term plans to add an additional terminal (I think about 30 gates, connected by underground walkway). The area is growing, but I'm not sure there's quite that level of demand.
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Jul 23, 2019, 12:42 pm
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Some would argue you need connecting passengers for AC to be worthwhile:
Originally Posted by nrr
Few pax connect through LAS--but LGA probably doesn't have too many connections either, but the population base is MUCH larger.
With Amex Centurion and Priority Pass "Club", I doubt AA will open an AC.
But imagine if an AC in Las Vegas had a craps table.........that alone would fund the operation of an AC for every city AA flies to 
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Jul 23, 2019, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by aztimm
The current AUS airport, ABIA (Austin-Bergstrom International Airport) has only existed since 1999. Prior to that, the site was home to Bergstrom, AFB. So the maximum time a club could have existed at the current AUS is 20 years.
I have no idea if there was an AA lounge at Austin-Mueller; it is possible that Braniff had one that AA acquired when they acquired those assets, but from the sounds of it that facility was very small.
I'm guessing that when ABIA opened, AA and CO expressed interest in having lounges there, since they both had hubs in Texas with multiple flights between AUS and DFW/IAH. Those lounges are beside each other, and the AA/UA gates are both at the same end of the terminal.
With recent airport expansion (6 additional gates), a DL lounge also opened. I'm not sure that there is space for any other lounges in the current terminal building, without taking away existing public space or restaurants.
There are long-term plans to add an additional terminal (I think about 30 gates, connected by underground walkway). The area is growing, but I'm not sure there's quite that level of demand.
I stand both corrected, and enlightened.
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Jul 23, 2019, 1:29 pm
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I'd love an AC at LAS. I often find myself after a convention arriving to the airport a few hours early. In the event that I can't get on an earlier flight it would be nice to have an AC to hang out in. That being said, the terminal is nice and it is never overly crowded so I can usually find a spot quiet spot to work if needed.
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Jul 23, 2019, 1:32 pm
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Originally Posted by caburrito
Some would argue you need connecting passengers for AC to be worthwhile:
But imagine if an AC in Las Vegas had a craps table.........that alone would fund the operation of an AC for every city AA flies to
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Jul 23, 2019, 1:44 pm
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I'd also be in favour of an AC in LAS. It would mean I could probably give up the Amex Platinum that gets me access to the Centurion lounge. There may be space there as "The Club at LAS" has recently vacated its old space at the top of the escalators and moved round to the corridor where the DL gates are. So the old lounge space is in relatively close proximity to the AA gates. There was a posting on here some time back about AA introducing direct flights to / from NRT so that could also be an incentive to opening an AC here. I doubt the BA flights to LHR and LGW really factor into the equation as they operate from T3 and although you can remain airside and get from the D gates to the E gates with relative ease most BA passengers would probably use "The Club at LAS" opposite E2 rather than an AC at the D gates.
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Jul 23, 2019, 2:19 pm
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I've been a regular AA flyer for less than a decade, so don't have the historical info.
What clubs in the recent decade or so have been closed, if any?
It seems there are legacy clubs from hub days, but what happens when an airport is de-hubbed? The STL club still exists, as an example.
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Jul 23, 2019, 2:32 pm
#40
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Originally Posted by OskiBear
I've been a regular AA flyer for less than a decade, so don't have the historical info.
What clubs in the recent decade or so have been closed, if any?
It seems there are legacy clubs from hub days, but what happens when an airport is de-hubbed? The STL club still exists, as an example.
I know the club in MCI closed within the last 10 years. I don't fly out of there very often (thankfully), but might if the club still existed. That airport is terrible.
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Jul 23, 2019, 2:42 pm
#41
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Originally Posted by ksucats
I know the club in MCI closed within the last 10 years. I don't fly out of there very often (thankfully), but might if the club still existed. That airport is terrible.
Hopefully with the opening of the new airport terminal in 2023, it will attract a few more airline lounges to MCI. Obviously no guarantee but we've lost both a DL SkyClub and an Admirals Club within the last 10 years.
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Jul 23, 2019, 2:43 pm
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Nothing to do with customer satisfaction
People seem to be debating here on the basis that the decision where to put clubs, and where not to, directly relates to customer satisfaction in some way. In reality, Admirals clubs are a profit center in their own right, so the primary question is: "If I build a club at XYZ, will the revenue of the club division increase by enough to make it worth while doing?", and failing that: "Will having a club here increase overall revenue for AA through flights, even if it isn't profitable in itself?". Once you frame it that way, a whole host of factors beyond size and frequency of flights come into play.
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Jul 23, 2019, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by dmsdfw
People seem to be debating here on the basis that the decision where to put clubs, and where not to, directly relates to customer satisfaction in some way. In reality, Admirals clubs are a profit center in their own right, so the primary question is: "If I build a club at XYZ, will the revenue of the club division increase by enough to make it worth while doing?", and failing that: "Will having a club here increase overall revenue for AA through flights, even if it isn't profitable in itself?". Once you frame it that way, a whole host of factors beyond size and frequency of flights come into play.
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Jul 23, 2019, 4:15 pm
#44
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Originally Posted by OskiBear
I've been a regular AA flyer for less than a decade, so don't have the historical info.
What clubs in the recent decade or so have been closed, if any?
It seems there are legacy clubs from hub days, but what happens when an airport is de-hubbed? The STL club still exists, as an example.
The recent closures that come to mind are IAD and SJU. BDL also recently closed, but I think that was an acquisition from US Air. I am still sad about the closure at SJC, but I think it's been more than a decade since that happened.
I've always been somewhat surprised that SNA has an AC, but I think there are some pretty profitable frequent flyers out of SNA, thus justifying a club there.
I'm surprised to learn that AA's operations at CMH are so big, but alas, according to Wikipedia, AA is the second largest carrier by passenger volume at CMH.
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Jul 23, 2019, 5:04 pm
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INTERESTING! I was looking at the inflight magazine just now and wondering this very thing - and then I go online and find a thread about it!
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